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Decoding Lucifer

The Mark of Cain

15 Comments Posted by on 03/11/2011

Cain may well be Samael’s son, so I’m interested in his story, but there are a few things that bother me.

If you read the story in the official book it doesn’t make a lot of sense. Cain has a brother, Abel, and one day both brothers present their god with some offerings but the god ignores Cain’s offerings so Cain gets mad. In his rage kills his brother Abel and when the god asks Cain where his brother is he lies and says he doesn’t know. So the god, who has smelt blood, exiles him. Fair enough, Cain has been a bad boy. But Cain, instead of humbly accepting his punishment, gets mad and says the punishment is too severe and people will try to kill him. So the god says he will put a mark on Cain so people will know that they are not allowed to touch him. “And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.”

Isn’t that strange? Why does the god threaten to kill anyone who lays a hand on Cain whereas before he seemed to dislike him?

Nobody seems to know for sure what the mark looks like. Some say it is the same as the mark of the Beast (but nobody knows what that looks like either). Another theory is that Cain’s skin turned black. Third common theory is that it looks like a cross or a cross in a circle.

It seems more logical to connect the mark of Cain to the Merovingians than to the mark of the Beast. If Cain is indeed Samael’s son, that is.

Just wild guesses.

Update 25.11.11: According to the Aggadah, this mark was a pair of horns. That’s even stranger.

Update 28.2.11: Adding link to post on Diabolical Confusions:

Is this why Cain really killed Abel? Over a woman? WHAT WOMAN!?!?

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15 Responses to The Mark of Cain

  1. David Wall 13/12/2011 at 04:29

    To kill Cain removes the compensation for the death of Abel, which is to wander the earth forever. But I don’t think Cain is a person, but represents a choice that started with an emotion of being utterly powerless – powerless to change God’s laws – set without our input without us having any say in them and then being subject to them irrespective and to the point that when broken, they become the source of our immediate suffering / pain. So it’s a primary feeling of powerlessness, then a secondary feeling of injustice, then a feeling of anger and need for retribution for that injustice and that’s been carried from the beginning.

    But the initial emotion is self-reliance as opposed to God-reliance – as we wanted to be in par with God and make our own rules, laws etc (Adam and Eve). There’s nothing wrong here in that it’s all part of having free will – which is a gift.. It would be kind of messy to give that gift with no guidance on how to best use it (for ourselves individually and in harmony with everything else around us – which is really the most powerful use of our own individual free will). So these laws that pissed us off since the dawn of humanity are based on love for us – but we have this deep emotion about feeling the whole thing is unjust.

    So you’ve got billions and billions of people past, wandering around earth (earthbound spirits) feeling powerless, but not wanting to feel that, so rather manufacturing a sense of power that can only be made by using others to do as we will – especially using the one’s who feel the largest sense of personal injustice and giving them the feeling that we’ll settle that justice for them. That’s one of the ways we get controlled externally by this “mysterious” force.

    Imagine then you’ve got these spirits that have been around the longest (with the “Mark of Cain” – which is really just the consequence of holding on to all those emotions – and that’s a choice of free will too), perpetuating the myth of their identity. It’s not in their interest to be factual about any of this, by giving people their name, they’ll mostly likely sacrifice this level of control, which is not what they want to do at all – cause it would mean they’d start really having to feel this powerlessness they’ve been avoiding for eons. So like we get addicted to drugs and such, these oldest spirits have the deepest addictions to that false sense of power – as it’s not real power but a manufactured one. It’s no wonder this destabilization of the power structures they’ve had a hand in building up to meet their addiction (they’ve been called Illuminati and all those other things), is causing strife. Because being opportunists and noticing the current shifts in our human emotional condition and the reflected earth changes – it’s like watching the opportunities slip fairly rapidly between their fingers….

    Anyway perhaps you won’t agree – but that’s another take on the story you could look into.

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  2. David Wall 14/12/2011 at 01:35

    I wrote this one inspired by some of your posts (God is Satan): http://disorderlyhappiness.com/2011/12/13/god-is-satan/

    So if all that’s true then just depends on what Lucifer you’re looking for? A dead human that poses as Lucifer or the original. But that’s just my feelings on the matter. Worthy of futher investigation I feel. Thanks for your posts – really got me interested in (for me) that side of God.

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    • Umbra Solis 16/12/2011 at 00:34

      Thanks for your comments! Now this is interesting but I’m don’t want to reply right now with some incoherent nonsense, in the middle of the night, with a throbbing headadche and all. So, I’ll get back to this tomorrow, or the day after.

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    • Umbra Solis 20/12/2011 at 01:58

      Argh this is so hard to comment on without sounding like a complete fool. After rereading your posts and comments a few times here goes my answer bullet style (bang bang you’re not dead)
      1. I seek the truth or at least a logical/scientific explanation for this person.
      2. Lucifer is not a dead human posing as Lucifer. I don’t know whether Lucifer is dead now or not. He may be something yet to come. Time plays dirty tricks on human minds and I do not possess his secret (yet – I’m hopeful :/).
      3. I am not interested in his good or bad side. I don’t think that that is important anymore at this point.
      4. I was hoping somebody else knows more than I do. In the meantime I’ve encountered a lot of people who have met him too, but I still don’t have an answer. It’s never quite the same Lucifer. Close but not the same.
      5. I don’t want to use the word Satan in the sense of accuser or opponent in connection with Lucifer.
      5. I am also trying to find out who Gabriel is (very alive at this moment in time).

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  3. David Wall 20/12/2011 at 04:43

    Have you ruled out that Lucifer or 11 is the original God? If not, then consider this entity doesn’t want anything from us because there’s no sense in a infinite power creating beings of lesser power and then needing something from them later. That’s how you’d determine if what you’re looking for is really what you are looking for. Are you looking for someone that needs something from you? If that’s the case then I’d suggest it’s an emotional lack that’s interrupting what you’re seeking. I’m too not interested in good or bad. I take Nietzsche’s stance here that these are declarations of a slave morality but that’s doesn’t remove there being a fearless and fear-ridden conditions to make comparisons from.

    Here’s a gift for you in case you’ve not read: http://numberman.net/12-21-2012-1111.html

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    • David Wall 20/12/2011 at 05:27

      Oh that link was kind of limited… Here’s some more from notes on Margaret Starbird’s Magdalene’s lost legacy.

      The number 1 is the one God, solar (male) principle. Number 6 represents physical (material) creation. In both Hebrew and Greek calculating the numbers of a bunch of phrases around God, when named YHWH give the total of 111. For example: “YHWH God” (Gen 3:9) = 111; “I am YHWH your God” (Exd 6: 7) & “YHWH God most high” = 111 x 2.

      So 6 (physical manifestation) x 111 (Solar power) = 666
      OR in other words the Solar power manifested in the physical plane.

      Then an interesting phrase “and his number is 666″ (Rev 13:18) = 2368

      “Jesus Christ” = 2368

      Then there’s “Jesus” in English Gemantria: J = 1, E = 5, S = 1 and U = 3, S = 1 adds up to 11.
      http://3minuteangels.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/englishgematria.jpg

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      • David Wall 20/12/2011 at 08:35

        A few more things. It’s kind of mind boggling I must admit. Not only do you have the number 1 as the solar principle, then the importance of the repetition of that 1, 11, 111, etc.. there’s a bunch of linkages of Lucifer to Jesus both described as ‘morning star’ of ‘original’ ‘light-bearing’ etc. Then the above stuff. As well as suppossed further Gematria links for eg. http://www.esotericonline.net/group/gematria/forum/topics/english-gematria-the-key-the-lock

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      • Umbra Solis 26/12/2011 at 02:13

        Unfortunately, the gematria only works partially because of the differences in script/language. It’s a key but not the only one. For instance, it’s a nice coincidence that Jesus adds up to 11, as does Lucifer’s but probably nothing more than that, a coincidence. On the other hand, the names I know or that I’ve been given for Eleven and Gabriel all add up to 11. There are no 6′s at all linked to Eleven.
        Bet it’s just a stupid coincidence. Or some Illuminati/alien conspiracy but then, neither Eleven nor G looked very reptilian (ha ha ha clin d’oeuil).

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    • Umbra Solis 26/12/2011 at 02:41

      The first question is an interesting one. If you start digging into Lucifer’s official history, you’ll find very little, if not nothing at all about his identity. Lucifer is a name a lot of people connect with the head of the rebel angels. But is that angel Lucifer? Who is Samael? And why does Eleven’s nick sound so much like that of Jesus? And how is Gabriel involved?
      I’m trying to find out who he is in a systematic way, starting from the physical evidence and the facts and testing them against history and mythology. And getting some very strange results.
      I am looking for an actual, physical person/thing (entity makes it sound like he’s a demon from a B-movie). Maybe not Eleven in person, but maybe some emissary.
      And sorry to disappoint some of you: Eleven doesn’t look like spaghetti :^P.

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  4. Scotti 27/12/2011 at 20:58

    Regarding Cain and Abel: It is a matter of faith. God knows our heart and motivation. God still had compassion on Cain and showed him mercy by protecting him from being murdered.

    “It was by faith that Abel brought a more acceptable offering to God than Cain did. Abel’s offering gave evidence that he was a righteous man, and God showed his approval of his gifts. Although Abel is long dead, he still speaks to us by his example of faith.” Hebrews 11:4

    We do not know what the mark was that was given. The saying “hate the sin, not the sinner” applies here. God is patient and longs for all to come to repentance.

    “But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.” 2 Peter 8:10

    Regarding the Morning Star:

    The Lord Jesus Christ proclaims He is the Bright Morning Star. Satan/Lucifer/Devil disquises himself as an angel of light, the counterfeit morning star. Lucifer is the counterfeit. He is a liar and the father of all lies. He is a master of deceit.

    “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star.” Revelation 22:16

    “These people are false apostles. They are deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ. But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” 2 Corinthians 11:13-14

    The Lord Jesus Christ is the Way, The Truth and The Light. Any other way is a false counterfeit.

    I am intrigued by your blog. Who is Samael?

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    • Umbra Solis 29/12/2011 at 00:35

      Samael is the same you’ll find on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael. But, that’s a mythological figure, as is the story in the bible. It may be loosely based on historical facts. But if you know how little is correct in yesterday’s newspaper, you’ll realise how little will be correct in a book that’s thousands of years old. This does not mean that the content and the message is not valuable, just that it is not exactly a trustworthy source for historical facts.
      What if Lucifer and the “son of God” (note: this is NOT J o N) were the same? Just following a number of theoretical paths.

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  5. David Wall 03/01/2012 at 08:48

    Just heard this quote and thought relevant: “Creating a book that is then said to be the whole of God’s truth, nothing but the truth and nothing can be added or taken away from it – is actually now precluding the discovery of additional truth. What it’s trying to do is fit a universal and infinite cosmos into a book and limit it, which is a physical impossibility.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKlE6ZEdpgY If you don’t know he says he’s Jesus but unlike many others that do, he makes a lot of sense, more than most.

    I personally have never understood the traditional idea that a creator, creates a being (Satan) that plays havoc on the rest of his creation and because of that this being and whomever follows will be condemned etc. In my opinion it’s the other way around. Because we don’t understand our own creator, we conceived the idea of an evil influence because we preferred this than taking responsibility for the painful effects of our own actions (individually and collectively). Because we were afraid to say that this evil influence comes God (fear of God), which is what we really believed, we instead built a concept that it was another higher being (another God) and put the responsibility on that being because as I said we didn’t want to take the responsibility ourselves – that we are actually the cause of our own suffering. So all the attributes of Satan are really a product of our misconception of who God is. An example might be that as a result of the ongoing major earth changes that destroyed civilizations before us (which will likely happen again), we blamed this on the female side of God, because we have always equated nature it’s nurturing role with the feminine. So with nature “attacking” us with the error belief that this was the cause of our suffering etc. we created this idea of Satan, unable to conceive of the idea that God did this to us and unable to blame God because we believed this would cause us more suffering. So Satan is really a collection of all our rage we have at God, especially the aspects of God to do with nurturing us (a feminine quality). But what we failed to recognise or more to the fact, what we didn’t want to recognise was the belief that we are no longer capable of nurturing ourselves. And because we lost the ability to do this (the sense to know where harm is and avoid harm when required for example), we felt we had to be completely independent or self-reliant because we couldn’t rely on nature or God. So the more self-reliant we became, the more separated we also became from our own capabilities. And thus the more we’ve required external means (technology) for example to replicate what we previously could do without it – we still don’t know how ancient civilizations moved big rocks around willy nilly….

    I could go on cause really love this subject but got to run!

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  7. Umbra Solis 28/02/2012 at 12:55

    Update 28.2.12: Added link to Diabolical Confusions

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